Just placeholders because I was getting tired of seeing Zappa on the toilet. Plus I liked the packaging of these two, though musically I only really like the "without cartridge" portion of the double 3" Hong Chulki release. Working on a Bags review now. Interesting to get these two and two others by Choi Joonyang at the same time and to have to wade through some three hours of semi-severe noise, trying to determine what I liked and why. "Well, this screech over here is cool but that one--boring."